I'm getting tired of people talking about this. Just hire some dam mercs with all those iskies you made from mining .

Wouldn't this also allow for Miners hiding in NPC corps to be war decced?

If it goes on a low slot, that means the miner would have to give up a MLU II, so it will never be used and they will still complain. If it goes on the midslot, they probably wouldn't fit it anyway, and if it did it means their ship would be much easier to gank, so they will complain.

Yes they're acquiring ore that could have gone to other miners

Every action is followed by an equal and opposite reaction.

Simple.

I bet is the reason that many miners are pissed off at him, even tho they don't even realize it.

I would think of something witty and funny to say back. If I understood what you mean.

Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know.

How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.

I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.

The sad little man known as James 315 has raised 21 BILLION ISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEATH TO THE NEW ORDER!

The Sky Marshall, yes.

I must say, though, that when it comes to smiling and giggling, little schoolgirls are the ~best~ at it. You try beating them at that.

Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:

1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.

2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.

You're choosing option 2, which isn't a bad choice, but option 1 is still out there.

This is a bit unrelated, but it's funny how people link dev comments as if they're holy writ. If someone linked a dev comment backing either option 1, or 2, I probably would pay it only limited heed. This is exactly the kind of thing where I'd expect them to keep their true reasoning somewhat hidden. If they had any interest in explaining exactly how safe they wanted hisec to be, they would have done so by now.

Unspecific ranting that we will destroy EVE Online by turning it into a carebear world without providing any examples, specific details or constructive discussions about what we should do better however is neither helpful nor welcome.

If by attacked you mean having to be at your keyboard, than yes.

And you really think that that's a good way for EVE to go? Allowing miners to sacrifice anything in order to gain the ability to play the game without any interaction at all?

Wait, what? I may be misunderstanding you, but did you just imply that being able to do something else instead of playing EVE and still profit is a fine example of emergent gameplay?

Fixed

They are bloated, immobile parasites slowly sucking the life out of the game and every attempt CCP attempts to itch just further embeds them.

You have to give them one thing.

It works.

I don't get the big issue. Sure James315 is a delusional, lonely individual. Yeah, the lemmings that follow him and his "New Order" are idiots. So what?

Well, you see there are many factors and ...

Ah.

I vote we have it both ways for a while. See what happens. Firstly for 6 months not a single roid respawns. That'd be cool. Then after that ships don't have collisions. Seems a sensible and popular thing to do for all these ripple who don't want to see miners. Well just don't have any ore to mine!

Miners gonna whine.

They whined when they got ganked because they fitted no tank, CCP buffed mining ships and gave them tougher ships
Now they're whining that people have the gall to intrude upon their harvesting resources with bumping, in a game that revolves around control of resources and space.
When they whine enough to make hisec the equivalent of a nursery school they'll whine that the game is boring and that there is nobody to buy their product.

I myself mine and I'm so disgusted by the attitudes that some of my competitors display that I've joined in with the bumping.

Tears are far more fun than rocks and ice.

If they do bring in a anti-bumping module it should make them pick between tank or anti bump...

Have the anti-bump reduce shields and/or armour but in return stops ships being able to forcibly move you, kinda like anchoring your ship to the asteroid or something. Maybe with a start up that takes a hefty cycle to unhook you from the asteroid...

So either they tank and not afk reducing chances of bumps or go for the anti-bump and run the good chance of being suicide ganked...

Looks like you picked the wrong game then. The essence of EVE is about interfering with other peoples business. And this is non consensual by definition.

You may find niches where you're left alone temporarily. But you cannot count on that to go on forever.

My only cause is related to sand & defecation.

You seem to have completely missed the meaning, which is not surprising at all.

An afk miner can gather lots of ice for example without ever touching his keyboard once he started the lasers. Thats a pretty large difference to me.

How do you take these miners seriously when upon receiving the ehp buff they proceeded to whine about their balanced cargohold size.